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[Che]

History will reveal that in the 20th Century almost thirty-five years ago we, la raza of Aztlan, decided that the time was destined  for us to formulate and establish our own national, state, and local political party -- El Partido Raza Unida.   Those who seek the truth of that political movement must realize that throughout Aztlan we were in the minority as it pertained to total population.  Our history further reveals  that our struggles were against insurmountable odds, yet we had the true intentions of creating our power of Mexicayotl within the lives of our people.  We spoke not only of the present and the past, but of the future which is now the 21st Century.  Political tapes of our past reveal that we predicated that 30  years from the time of that national political creation,  we,  would be in the majority throughout all Aztlan.  From that time to the present we decided to return to our ancient past for guidance, direction, spirituality, meditation, and vision.  The Rising of the Sixth Sun became partly (and is now totally) the existence of our cultural lives.  We found in our ancient writings and scriptures that as a raza, as a people, as a nation within a nation, we can never exist in this universe without the foundation and transformation of our cultural roots.  We can never   be right in carrying out the truth of our future without the spirituality of culture in our  hearts.  


Corky Gonzales - Denver, CO. 1974

Hispanics / Latinos / Mexican-Americans must never be offended with our intentions, actions, and uncompromising principles.  We must learn once again to respect the human right to thought, idea, and choice.  We of the Sixth Sun continue to advocate truth and respect for each other.  As a raza we have a choice in life, and regardless of right or wrong, we make a determination of that choice.   Those who have decided to support and make either the Democratic / Republican Party part of their political lives have the right to that choice.  We, on the other hand, have been mandated with the destiny of our own cultural, spiritual, historical and political liberation.  In a sense, it is a Mexika spiritual doctrine of self-reliance, self-determination, self-realization, self-discipline and self-respect.   We are not enemies or strangers.  We are your brothers and sisters who have made a different choice in order that the oppressor will return the rights as created in our lives.  Do not fear us because we have witnessed time and again la raza finding strength and courage only against each other.  We are beyond those myths and pointless stories.  We store and strengthen our energies and intelligence against the cruel atrocities of the oppressor.  As we continue to grow in strength politically, the oppressor will open his doors to those of you who serve in his house.  Yes, you will benefit and find yourself in the front seat of the oppressor.  We know all of this happens now and will happen in the future.  We don't question your sincerity or intentions.  Our struggle is not against our own people.  Our political struggle in the 21st Century is against the oppressor.  We know that the powers of the oppressor will have certain Hispanic / Latino political members, professors, organizations.  Even past members of La Raza Unida Party speak against our political movement of the 21st Century.  We will not be offended.  We understand the choice some had to make.  Now the time has come for you as Hispanics, Latinos, etc.   Respect the choice that we have made not for ourselves, but for our people.   We demand the right to free political participation in this so-called land of the free.  We demand the right to practice democracy if it truly exists in this country.   We demand the right to return to our land.  The future is ours.  History is on our side.  Truth shall set us free in the 21st Century.  We of the Sixth Sun will provide the direction to liberate our raza youth from the present oppressive animal that seeks to destroy, confine, and shackle the lives of he masses of our youth.   We will revolutionize the present American educational system in order to save the lives of our youth.  How much longer must we stand by witnessing the rape and assault on the minds and hearts of our raza youth?

We of the Sixth Sun -- the Mexika spiritual warriors of Aztlan, will struggle with our lives until the rising of he dawn brings liberation and justice to our people.  We are not afraid of sacrifice, suffering, sadness, loneliness, and the cold solitary dungeons of the oppressor.  The struggle for our people is our daily bread.  The time has come!  What a time to be alive.  Do we dare to scale the heights of heaven and Aztlan?  We dare!

Remember that we as a people have been oppressed mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually for over 500  years.  Now our hearts and minds are experiencing a miracle of freedom with the right to think not only for ourselves, but for our own people.  We must once again share and embrace the love in our hearts for each other.  We must bury the realms of self-hatred.  Que viva la raza del Siglo XXI!  Que viva la juventud! Long live the youth of tomorrow!
                      In exile,
                      Ramsey Muniz - Tezcatlipoca


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Commentary: Ramsey Muniz
Pictures: Che B.

[Carlos]

Remember that we as a people have been oppressed mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually for over 500  years.  Now our hearts and minds are experiencing a miracle of freedom with the right to think not only for ourselves, but for our own people.  We must once again share and embrace the love in our hearts for each other.  We must bury the realms of self-hatred.  Que viva la raza del Siglo XXI!  Que viva la juventud! Long live the youth of tomorrow!

Ok, let me ask you this, do you believe with the quote I pulled? Do you practice christianity or speak spanish? That is part of the opression, no matter if you or anyone else wants to deny it.

Now some people try to argue that some spanish words have a Mexica root or came from a Mexica word, well that is true but you are still speaking the Mexican Dialect of Spanish.

Your thoughts?

[Latina]

What does practicing Christianity
or
Speaking Spanish w/a Mexican Dialect

Have to do w/alleged oppresion?

-- Just wondering, Am interested in your thoughts?

[Carlos]

What does practicing Christianity
or
Speaking Spanish w/a Mexican Dialect

Have to do w/alleged oppresion?

-- Just wondering, Am interested in your thoughts?

EVERYTHING.

It oppresses our true culture, the Mexica culture, Did you know the spanish took some of the Mexica culture and integregated some of it into Catholicism? Just so the Mexica would accept it......At first they rejected it and the padres saw that, so they tried to put some of our own Mexica culture into theirs, mixed it up and gave it back to us.

Spanish too, it is not our native tongue. It has been breeded out. Out of the millions in Southwest US and Mexico down to Central America.....not a whole lot of us speak Nahuatl or any other indigenous language.

Us Chicanos speak Spanish fluently, partially and not even at all, but even the Spanish themselves are angry nowadays that when people think of Spanish they think of Mexico..... Its not our language, no matter how you slice it.

On lots of other boards and people's minds, people are like, to be a true Mexican you have to speak spanish, or they call you a pocho, or gringo. Well, Native Nahuatl speakers in Chiapas, Veracruz, Oaxaca, etc call those Mexicans who speak Spanish fluently, a vendido or not being a true Mexican, and they are true Mexicans because they speak our natural language.

[Latina]

Te entiendo, I get what you're saying...

OK, very interesting, you bring up some good points,
see, I keep saying I'm learning more & more on this site!

[Cathy]

Hispanics / Latinos / Mexican-Americans must never be offended with our intentions, actions, and uncompromising principles. We must learn once again to respect the human right to thought, idea, and choice.

I still don't understand what religion or language has to do with oppression.  We ourselves control what we partake in our lives and our culture, so where does the oppresion come in.  Our choice is our choice and as he stated, people must learn to respect our choices and not label me or anyone else who thinks different as being oppressed.

[Latina]

You Go GirlFriend! :!:

[rhnarv]

we, even if we cannot speak in our original languages
we must now re-learn to speak to each other (using our own known & invented media) with dignity and respect
and treat our communications with the utmost importance in the spirit of unity and brotherhood/sisterhood
I am not sure that we have to love each other
however, i would say respect and consideration
and we also have the responsibility of learning, continue with our development and become wise so that we can also provide assistance when called upon, and also be information literate so that the brainwashing machine does not work its trade in us...

[Carlos]

I still don't understand what religion or language has to do with oppression.  We ourselves control what we partake in our lives and our culture, so where does the oppresion come in.  Our choice is our choice and as he stated, people must learn to respect our choices and not label me or anyone else who thinks different as being oppressed.

Religion is a tool to control the masses, think of the big picture. I understand your logic but religion has been and always continue to be used as a tool to control and manipulate how you should think. Ever hear how politics are based on christian values?

[Che]

I Totally Agree Carlos.

It has been used for centuries to bring death and destruction to countless civilizations and peoples. It is used as an excuse to promote war and to force beliefs upon others, often brutally, and sometimes the sole justification for invasions and overthrows.

[Cathy]

Point taken and made when looking at the big picture

[PURO_MEXICANO]

¿Por qué para nosotros los mexicanos/chicanos es importante conservar nuestra lengua y cultura?

Muchos aquí, como el tal Carlos y otros, dicen que tenemos que odiar a los españoles o todo aquello relacionado con ellos.

Por una parte, estoy de acuerdo con él.  Sí, él tiene razón al recalcar que los españoles fueron muy inhumanos con nuestros ancestros.  Los colonizadores españoles sólo vinieron a matarnos y robarnos y a esclavizarnos.

Entonces--teniendo lo susodicho en mente, ¿por qué será importante para nosotros los mexicanos/chicanos conservar nuestra lengua y cultura?  

Bueno, ¿sabían ustedes que casi el 30% del español que hablamos nosotros los mexicanos/chicanos viene del nahuatl?  Cotidianamente usamos palabras tales como «mecate» «zacate» «mitote» «chusma» «chisme» «elote» «popote» «guajolote» etc., y muchas otras palabras que nos han heredado nuestros antiguos ancestros mexicanos.

¿Sabían ustedes, qué el catolicismo mexicano se basa, en gran parte, en las creencias prehispánicas de nuestros antiguos ancestros mexicanos?  Sí, el culto a la Virgen de Guadalupe, las procesiones con los danzantes matachines; la philosofía de la intervención divina de los dioses del cielo.  

Cualquier mexicano/chicano que no sepa hablar español, queda totalmente desconectado de la cultura que se vive en México.

Otra cosa, ¿Sabían ustedes, qué cuando los lingüísticos estudian la pronunciación náhuatl, ellos tienen que consultar la pronunciación del español que se habla en México?  Sí, ¡porque el español que se habla en México aún conserva la inflección de nuestros antiguos ancestros mexicanos/mexicas/aztecas!

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En Quebec, Canadá, los canadienses de origin francés han conservado la lengua francesa con el fin de emanciparse de los anglo-canadienses.  Recuerden ustedes que los franceses traicionaron a los franceses de Canadá y los abandonó a su suerte.  Es más, la gran mayoría de los franco-canadienses son de sangre indígena al mezclarse con los Indios Quebecois a través de los siglos.  Entonces, ¿por qué siguen usando la lengua francesa los franco-canadienses?  Porque es la única manera de diferenciarse de los anglos.


Hay muchos mexicanos/chicanos que dicen que no quieren a los gringos pero, hablan inglés, se visten como los gringos, comen como los gringos y viven como los gringos.

[Che]

Básicamente, estas aqui para decir que piensas que eres más mexicano a los que no hablen la idioma, Señor PURO MEXICANO?

[PURO_MEXICANO]

Mr Che Guevara wannabe:  Why is it that nowadays, someone posts something and almost immediately, some nerdy, no-girlfriend, no-job, no-friends, no-social life, ass**** jumps up and wants to pick a fight over the internet like a coward behind the computer screen under an anonymous screen name??!!!!!!


Básicamente, si tú no hablas el español que se habla en México, tú estás COMPLETAMENTE desconectado de tus raíces mexicanas/chicanas.  Te pierdes TODO!!!!!  Lo poco indígena que sobrevive en México está en la lengua, la música, la religión, las costumbres, la comida....  Si tú no vives la cultura mexicana/chicana, ¿qué dereches tienes tú de llamarte «mexicano» o «chicano»?

If your parents were white-washed, sellout idiots and didn't teach you Spanish that's one thing and I feel sorry for you, but that doesn't mean can't learn Spanish on your own as an adult.  I learned Portuguese and I'm studying Nahuatl on my own.  If I could learn a different language I don't see why you can't , or anyone else, learn Spanish.

Bottomline, what's the point of saying, "I'm Mexican/I'm Chicano" if you have the mind of a cracker???

(Che Guevara, was born an elite white dude from Argentina, he got degrees in medicine and law from all over the world.  Later as an adult, he became bored with the world and spent the rest of his days bossing around poor and ignorant people to wage "revolutions" for his communist friends in Russia.

That's what I hate about Communists/Socialists, they always finds stupid and unsuspecting idiots to do their bidding.  That's what communism is all about: highjacking the movements of others to further their own designs.

"For our true intentions they shall not know, nor do they need to know them for it is up to us, to spearhead their movements to accomplish [our] goals"  -Karl Marx "Communist Manifesto"


"Under the guise of 'power to the people' we shall seduce the down-trodden masses to adhere to our cause [...] never knowing they join our ranks whilst they contribute to their own demise [..] all those opposed to the establishment, for whatever reason have you, we shall claim as our adherant, as one more pawn in our plot, subject to our rules and criterion"  -Adam Weishaupt "Fool Moon:  The Illuminati"

«Yo no soy extraño ni fuereño en esta tierra que piso; de México es California, porque así Dios lo quizo.»  --El Corrido de Joaquín Murrieta (1850)

[Che]

I am going to ignore your first comment, because you are new and apparently ignorant.

Second, I will agree that just like any government be they socialist, communist or capitalistic, they have all used and manipulated poor people throughout history.

COMPLETAMENTE desconectado de tus raíces mexicanas/chicanas. Te pierdes TODO!!!!! Lo poco indígena que sobrevive en México está en la lengua, la música, la religión, las costumbres, la comida....

Y nuestra sangre? Que?

I have seen your kind before. I have had this argument before, and you're just as ignorant and blindly hatefull as others I've dealt with in the past.

I will say this once: Unless you are willing to come down from your high [Nahuatl] horse and speak to us with respect (in whatever language you choose [including Nahuatl], so long as you do it respectfully), then I don't think you'll be around here much longer.
 
Now.. Be nice, try to control yourself and teach us something or contribute in someway, otherwise you're gone.


Che -

That's my real name by the way.